Georgian Manor, hard sells and pyramid schemes

My wife and I normally don’t respond to those enticingly free weekends away. Completely free they tell you… you only have to attend a sales pitch to buy in the world of dream vacations. Against our better judgment we swallowed the bait to go see the good life at Georgian Manor Resort in Collingwood. Putting aside the obvious allusion to P.T. Barnum I will say that my instinct was dead right. We didn’t get into the resort into late last night for reasons having to do with trying to get teenagers (and one preteen) packed into the car, ensure their newspapers were delivered, etcetera, etcetera.
We did enjoy the indoor pool (thought it was quite small and very old) and the kids enjoyed the cable TV, arcade and the buffet breakfast this morning.
But then it was our turn to pay the piper. The piper started out as a very nice woman who seemed sincerely interested in us. But she was trying to get us interested in their points system of enforced vacations. That’s why we were treated to the one night stay after all. She showed us a slick movie and some very nice suites (very different from the 2 bed hotel room with nowhere near enough room for the three kids and us). She showed us two different schemes for achieving their version of the ‘good life’. We could even ‘sell’ the names of friends to get more points (i.e.: the pyramid scheme). Then she showed the cheap version which would probably better apply to us. She called over an expert to show us an even cheaper way to make some of our dreams come true. And when we repeated our ‘no’ we got the hard sell from a crotchety old geezer who said he respected our decision but showed us yet another offer. An offer we’d be crazy to say no to. Then he smilingly insulted our choice of ‘no’ to our faces saying that the offer was gone if we walked out… that any future deal would be like a Lada instead of the Cadillac we had just turned down.
Perhaps Karen and I should have thicker skins. Perhaps we should learn to be more dissembling. But we certainly felt the condescension and didn’t like it one bit. We were so angry that we left even though we could have kept ‘trying’ the facilities for the rest of the day if we wanted. I was so angry I didn’t notice that they made our mistake on our bill and charged us for someone else’s breakfast. Why not add to the injury?
What they’re selling is the whole idea of ‘a vacation’. They want us to invest significant sums of money (over $200 a month) so we can have 1 or 2 or more weeks of the ‘good life’. And then there’s the indignity of taxes, user fees, and more (probably way more that we would learn about to our eternal dismay if we had been lulled into accepting their deal). Hey: everyone deserves a piece of that vacation dollar after all.
I do like the idea of a vacation that is done no matter what… it is good for the soul and for family life. But a plan that extends past 2050 is a little much. Every family has their own mine fields to chart a course through and few, in my opinion, can be so flexible. We can’t and we can’t afford it. There are so many ways we can spend what little excess income we may have. We bought an electric guitar on the way home, for example. That was one of our $200 payments (and more) but it was, in my humble opinion, a much better investment that going along with someone’s idea of what a vacation should be.
In the final analysis this whole scheme was a terrific waste of our valuable time and I’m sorry we were sucked in. We would have been much better off staying at home.

176 thoughts on “Georgian Manor, hard sells and pyramid schemes

  1. Karen says:

    Yes, Terry, it was a waste of our valuable time, but we made the most of it despite the time we wasted being educated about this sort of time share. You left out the part about, “Remember us and what you could have had, had you decided to sign the dotted line today, the next time you stay with one of our competitors’ hotels…” How he insinuated that we should have ‘done our work’ and ‘prepared to commit to such a good offer’ before even considering coming to their resort, like it was our loss and our fault for not ‘knowing that we should want this.’ I think, at that point, I could mentally see horns growing out of his elderly, sinister head! I mean, using blame and shame to manipulate people? Doesn’t work for kids, so why try it on full grown adults? And besides, we had nothing to be ashamed of. They called us. They asked us there. We followed through and they were the ones who were insulting! Talk about shooting himself in the foot! I mean, this man said he was the ‘builder’ of this place! Only a desperate person, perhaps someone who owes too much, who built too much, who went beyond their own means would bully and insult people into buying into their product this way. Should have yelled out, “Pyramid scheme!” in that ballroom filled with small identical tables, each bearing a couple accompanied by their own ‘owner/salesperson’ walking them through the ‘numbers’. Would have been worth it to see all the heads turn, and the ‘members’ like androids, simultaneously turn and escort us out! But, alas, or perhaps fortunately, I was too shocked by this man’s manner to respond at the time.

    Funny, how they gave us a small insufficient accommodation and only showed us the alternative, which could be all ours only if we signed on. Deliberate manipulation! Spooky how they had all these models/plans to renovate, worth millions, yet the present state of things was so ‘lacking’: a pokey pool, dinky ‘restaurant’ with terribly small coffee cups and one waitress, too busy removing dishes for refills, I mean, that’s just basic… I got the distinct feeling that our money was very important to them… more important than us, actually. That our friends’ money was important too, and that it could be advantageous for us to consider their friendship as a monetary benefit for ourselves and this organization, to whom, for one night stay, we should feel indebted. So, I don’t mind the insult so much coming from their desperation to ‘sign’ you for ‘just one vacation’, then ‘you’d see’. I’d rather keep our friends as friends, and not potential sources of income… vacation perks… Perhaps that’s why our friends have always remained so… perhaps we’d rather stay with them, when they ask, instead of selling them out for a pool, some temporary opulence… prestige… Yeah, I’m glad we kept our money, our integrity, our friends… and bought a guitar, instead! You bet!

  2. Joyce says:

    yeah – well I wasn’t so lucky. I purchased a timeshare from Georgian Manor in 2003 with promises of “keeping my costs” down. The salesman said – buy now and your increases will be minimal. Well we signed the contract and this past month received an invoice for our 2009 fees which was a 46% increase rather than the expected 3.5% increase. Their president Peter Levoy sent mail to owners to explain the need to increase the usage fee or impose a 900 + fee to cover energy and other operating costs. Hmmm – whatever happened to the contract. I am seeking legal assistance with this one. Anyone else in the same boat?

    • Kim Bugeja says:

      Joyce – sorry reading this a little late – I was in the same boat – I out right refused the increase and pointed back to the contract!! This is why the Georgian Manor is trying to convert everyone to points – to get you out of your original contract – I too bought in 2003 and still waiting for the 16 million dollar renovations!

    • Diane says:

      We’re still trying to find a way out of this. What’s even worse is they try to get you to go back and try to sell you another through the Canadian Discount Network. Warn everyone.

      • Ralph says:

        They tried to get us too…and wanted a credit card number…I refused to give it too them..and they kept saying oh but we won’t charge it to your room…what a scam. If there is a class action suit we would like to be part of it…want to see these pay for what they have done

  3. Michele says:

    I am also in the same boat. Note that the letter says that you can request that you regular fees be separated. Pay your maintenance + whatever % is in your contract. I have written a letter to Mr. Levoy and will cc my lawyer, I am asking for documentation of their financials from 2003 (when I signed up – there was suppose to be a 16,000 sq. ft. rec center built by 2007) … nada … I want to know where that money went. If you read the letter, it really doesn’t say you have to pay – because that would be a breach of contract. They are hoping that some of their members pay the fee without question … how many people received that letter … do the math … average $800×1000 gullible members (i’m sure that is low) = $800000. Won’t take long for them to bring in a few million.
    Anyway, I am sending them a letter asking to separate my fee, from the “special fees” … if they try to force me to pay it, i will definitely be looking into starting up a class action law suit against them.

  4. John S. 2008-12-7 says:

    I am in that boat too. I argued with them, took the contract there where its says the increase will never be more than 4% for me. I wrote down my costs for the next 20 years, they were not interested. They said if they don’t increase the costs they cannot afford to operate the place. I ask the same question when we signed up in 2005 there’s nice model showing a $16 m renovation. I was up there in the summer and nothing has changed.
    They put the pressure on and I finally paided the increased fees. If anyone starts a class action suit let us all know.

    • michelle says:

      Hello John; we are planning on creating a law suit…. please feel free to contact myself for further details.

      • dynamik says:

        Are abloe to get out of this scam? I got sucked in in 2010 and i need to get out now.

      • Pete says:

        I would like to be a part of that lawsuit also. I got presented a dream and it was all lies

      • Mary Darmanin says:

        Hi Ralph. Are you Karen’s husband? If so I’m in touch with Karen on FB already. Encourage people to join our fb group at Georgian Manor Timeshare!

  5. Joyce says:

    Hello GMR contract people.
    I did hire a lawyer – I did win. $500 dollars legal fees later I received notice that GMR had a computer glitch and it would be corrected. I will keep this letter as i am sure I will be going through this again in two years.
    The sad thing is we enjoy our stay at Georgian Manor it is just that these issues take away so much from the overall enjoyment. I am sorry I purchased and part of me hopes they do go under. It would be great if someone started up some communication forum so we could all keep in touch about these things.

    • Nargis Taylor says:

      I feel all of your pain – evry day. What a bunch of scam artist – especially Peter Levoy.
      How can we get out?



    • michelle says:

      Hello Joyce….. could I possibly get your lawyers name???? We are in the same boat; we are starting a lawsuit. If anyone is interested in exchanging information please contact myself!!!!!!!!

      • Joyce says:

        Please email me again with your personal email and/or phone number and I will contact you rather than through this format.

      • Virgil says:

        Hi Michelle/Joyce,

        Not sure how to leave contact info privately, since I thought I was leaving a personal message and it got posted on this wall! Anyways, I would like lawyer contact information to get rid of my timeshare, any tips would be appreciated.


    • A. says:

      Hello Joyce,

      Yes, we are all working toward exposing the pyramid scheme by Georgian Manor resort and Tina Kyle. Stop all payments to Georgian Manor and contact Consumer Services and BBB. We are going to launch a class action lawsuit soon. You can contact me if interested at the email and you can get introduced to other that already got a settlement.

  6. Joyce says:

    Hello Nargis:
    2 years later – another over inflated invoice for maintenance payment. We did not move to points and we did not pay this bill. I did send letters for a year for reimbursement of my legal fees. We decided to give it back. I could not possibly sell this to someone else. I would not be able to sleep to unload this to someone knowing what they would face. I hope you sort this problem out so you can feel relieved.

    • Virgil says:

      Hi Joyce,

      We bought into the timeshare in June this year against our better judgement. I would like to get your lawyer’s contact info and get rid of the timeshare. Any information you can share would be greatly appreciated.


    • monika says:

      Hi My name is Monika I also have a problem with my timeshare and I am
      thinking about cancellation. Can you give me some advice as people how
      had already known some probably important information. I am new in
      Canada and I was misrepresented during presentation. pleas give me so
      contact information to lawyers who can deal with timeshare. I am
      really desperate.
      Thanks in advance

  7. freddie says:

    wow are we ever glad we followed our instincts,we had tons of fun at blue mountain with the kids not a total loss,is this not illegal in some way ,or is it ok cause they are selling something??some one should start a facebook thingy or something..

  8. VC says:

    Well, it’s a belated effort and research to find out many websites including this one that other people have had issues with GMR’s inflated maintenance fees – this whole company is founded on a pyramid of fees! Just bought a vacation timeshare this summer and am doing what I can to cancel out of this contract, albeit outside the 10 days cooling period. Joyce, Michael, Michele, John, Nargis, Freddie, we should share emails. 46% on fees is obviously illegal. A Facebook page is a great idea, in fact I’ve created one “GeorgianManor Resorts” email is Please add yourselves and/or contact me, thanks.

  9. Tatiana says:

    So the scheme resurfaced…in 2002 something similar operated as Nitsua Marketing and they were selling stuff in nearby Cranbery Resort – same tactics. A mr. Austin was the boss and I heard the outfit went under and he went to jail. We bought (0ne year contract, broke even, more or less), and then bought a property in Blue Mountain resort…which I just sold at a terrible loss. And today I got the call from Georgian Manor. Irony of life! Scheme after scheme after scheme…. Something is very wrong here.

  10. keith says:

    I would be interested in a a lawsuit or lawyer reference? We were sucked into the RCI scam also. We pay $240 month for over a year now (plus deposit) and have never used it..14 more years to go … :(……..and now getting annual fee bills. I just want out and cut my losses now.

  11. keith says:

    I have a lawyer looking into some of the false promises etc..hoping I can get out of this mess……he didn’t seem too positive , but will
    keep you posted. Only think keeps me in is a black mark on a credit report.

    • Hi I’m also looking for a lawyer who can help me to get rid of that s…. Please give me some contact information. I am desperate and need to sort it out very soon. Thanks

  12. Michelle says:

    i NEED ALL THE HELP i CAN GET AS WELL. i AM TRYING TO CANCEL. Any advise on what I can do. I signed up Aug 23, 2012

    • Michelle says:

      I have 2 friends who are lawyers, but don’t think that they do business law. They will know someone so I will get back to you asap.

  13. jsb says:

    VC – I read your post, and tried to link to the one you provided, but it won’t connect. Is there a facebook page, or way of contacting you? I think it is a very good idea for all of us to be in contact – safety in numbers and all…If people have found lawyers who are confident in fighting these people, we’d love to meet them, because we are currently in collections because we refused to continue to sap our finances to pay for this ‘vacation package’ once we discovered that there were annual fees about which we were never told. So many things we weren’t told, and three days after we signed the contract, my husband was in a near-fatal motorcycle accident and sustained extensive brain injury. One week after his accident, I broke my back. What a summer! In any case, we need this gone, and we are prepared to fight. A lawsuit ‘suits’ us just fine!

  14. Michellle says:

    To all who require help; please read! Companies like this are beaten by numbers! Myself and another couple plan on doing so. Extensive research has been done and we think we can do it. A lawyer will eventually be included but we plan on getting their attention first. We need to vocalize!!!!! WE NEED NUMBERS!!! Others have done it and they were able to get out of the contact. Yes, we can get out of the contract!!!!!!! Common people lets show em’ we aren’t taking this BS anymore! Contact myself at

  15. Jason Clarmo says:

    My parents got sucked into their RCI points vacation scam, and would like help to get out of it. If anyone has any information please email me at , thank you.

  16. Michellle says:

    I am posting this as a group! We have a facebook page named “GeorgianManor Timeshare”. We have all been scammed into purchasing their memberships and they are unwilling to cancel the agreement even though they have broken numerous clauses in the Consumer’s Protection Act. We are recruiting as many members as possible; because numbers do make a difference. We have all sent letters to the BBB and to the Ministry of Consumer services. They were extreamly pleased that we had formed a group and were all sending complaints against this company. Many of us have tried to cancel the agreement on our own; this was unsuccessful…. as a group we can make a difference. We plan on making some noise; especially publicly…. newspapers and all television stations. There are too many individuals that have been taken advantage of; join the group and make a difference!!!! The service was terrible; the rooms smelt like smoke. We accepted a free two night stay as long as we sat in on their little 30 min presentation (this lasted 4 hours). This company has a D+ rating with the BBB. Don’t sign into this timeshare; they utilize every means to get you to sign. They keep saying that they are selling it as an investment…. it isn’t. Do a google search and see for yourself; there are hundreds to thousand of bad reviews on this company. Take the time to read up on them.

      • dynamik says:

        Georgian Manor Resort is feeling the heat and is moving close to tipping. But I noticed yesterday that Georgian Manor Timeshare Resorts facebook account was suspended. RHG is trying to block us from using social media to communicate. We need to still communicate with members also by personal emailing. Can you create another facebook page to spread the words? or do you want me to create one?
        We need to continue to post and monitor sites were we post. An investigation is eminent about the unscrupulous Scam perpetuated by Georgian Manor Resort and Tina Kyle.
        Please join the movement to expose Georgian Manor Resort and Country Club time share scam located in Collingwood.

      • Maria Salazar says:

        Please keep me in contact; I also have the same problem.

        I sent a letter requesting my money back to the resort; they denied so now I can send a letter to the consumers better bureau; I hope they can help me.

        I think if everybody do the same is going to be easier.

    • Sergiy says:

      Does this group still exist. If so any info as to how to join or cancel with RHG would be appreciated.

  17. Michellle says:

    Hey all just an FYI! I am hoping you all have made complaints to the ministry of consumer services because they have 14 complaints so far and may be taking legal action on Georgian Manor!!!! GET YOU COMPLAINTS IN ASAP OR RESUBMIT NEW ONES! The more people who voice themselves the better!

    • Michellle says:

      Michelle I posted the web link just a bit further down. Everything is step by step; send them all your documentation. The more people that send complaints in; the better the outcome for us all.

  18. Sergio O. says:

    Hi there,

    My mom got dragged into this scam as well. They took advantage of her lack of English and now she is paying crazy maintenance fees. How can she get out of this ? Please let me know!!!

    Thanks for the info and the help!

  19. Steve says:

    Hey everyone, sign up to our facebook page for regular updates on what our members are doing to fight these guys. Georgianmanor Timeshare. We are standing up to these guys and the more people the stronger we are. If you would like to join our email list contact me at

    • Linda says:

      Linda- 2013-07-17
      We are not doing so well and we have not paid our maintenance fees for two year and now they are going to be put our name into the collection by Friday. Do any body know how bad can it get if you don’t pay?

      • Michellle says:

        Linda, send a complaint to the micistry of consumer services; trust me a few of our peeps have gotten out of their contracts and have gotten their funds back. Legal actions are pending;. I stopped paying them too; weirdly enough they still haven’t contacted me! I think they know the end is looming and they are trying their last few attempts to sucker any more cash out of us.

      • Tracey says:

        We are in the same boat. Just received a letter stating that we will be sent to collections.

      • Steve says:

        Our facebook page was shut down, so obviously we are getting some attention :) We have started a private group, contact me if you are interested in joining us fight back.

  20. Michellle says:

    If you don’t send a complaint to the ministry, nothing will be accomplished. Myself and our group members have been transfered to a “different” branch of the ministry which specialize in companies like these. Numbers make a difference; especially if a few of our members have gotten refunds and cancellations to their agreements. Add yourselves to our facebook group “GeorgianManor Timeshare”. A law suit is on it’s way for our complaints only. We have managed to make quite some headway. It’s worth a shot.

    • Chris says:

      Please send info about your group, we need to get out of this! We are vey interested in anything, including a class action plan

  21. Nick Evans says:

    Hi everyone I am in the same boat, been trying to cancel for a year now, they have filed with collections. I want to fight these guys too

  22. Kim says:

    We purchased our timeshare in 2003 – we are a family of 5. We purchased a 1 Bedroom to use every other year (odd year). At that time we paid $11,000.00. The usage fee was around $350.00. Purchasing this timeshare was a great investment into family vacations – not too far from home so no flying costs involved – Joining RCI also opened the door to travel with our children and not stay in hotel rooms – the problem I have with GM is the lies. This resort was suppose to go through major renovations that still have not been completed – I truly believe they have only 2 or 3 rooms that are totally redone the way the models were shown. In the 10 years (so 5 visits) we have only had one totally renovated room. The 1994 and 1995 Gold Crown stickers need to be removed from the doors – this is really embarrassing! I have had several family members visit us while at GM and probably could have sold some weeks as well but GM continues to let this property go down hill. They spent a fortune on the “hotel” rooms because they were a total disgrace. I too received the 46% increase to the usage/maintenance fees. I quickly wrote a letter to Don the president and pointed out the contract – took some (many e-mails) but this was adjusted accordingly. As the invoices must be a mast mail out – I continue to receive the wrong rate on mine. They desperately tried to have us re-invest more $$ to switch to the point system. I quickly did the research and the point system is great if you want to go somewhere else – being a RCI member enables us to go to several other timeshares in the world with extra weeks. If we would have changed to the point system this would have made our original contract null and void – therefore, GM could have raise the usage fee to what ever they wanted. I am so grateful I did the homework.

    I love that we bought a timeshare – I just want to see the resort improve!! My boys love it up here! My eldest is now 21 and he comes from Toronto to visit while we are here, my 18 year old and 13 year old came this year and the 18 year old gave me a hard time but once he was here was glad that he was. I look forward to the following years and only wished that it was a deeded timeshare (transferrable to family a the time of death usually a 99 year deed) – unfortunately I didn’t understand the concept back then and can only use until 2044.

    We have met wonderful families at GM and look forward to seeing them when we come back – so if you have children trust me this is the best way to have a vacation – not much of a vacation for the Mom’s – but the children do love coming up here!!

      • Sergiy says:

        Same boat too! signed on in 2003 and used it as an exchange once in the 10 years we have had the time share. we have tried to get out of it several times and they refused and said that they would send us to collection so we have been paying for nothing! Just emailed Steve…wondering if I’m too late. Please send any info as to what our next steps would be. Any info would be greatly appreciated!

    • LIz Lang says:

      Where do things now stand with your group. My husband and I are trying to get out of our contract as well but realize to try so on our own is a waste of time.

      • Andrea says:

        Joined in 2003 and have a weeks membership that provides 1 week every two years. We pay approximately 700 every two years for a two bedroom. We just received a call from the Georgian Manor advising that they have made changes and want us to come up. According to the rep 50% of the people have gotten out and 50% have elected to accept the change and stay with a new program. We have a contract that we signed and while they tried to have us move to the points system we refused to do so. Interested in what is happening with others.

  23. Nicole says:

    I am in the same boat as everyone else. I have been told I am not able to cancel. I have stop all payments and thanks to dynamik. I have contacted the bbb and consumer protection waiting for a reply. Glad I am not in this alone.

  24. Peter says:

    Hope we gonna be able to shut them down. How is allowed for them to still operate, it blows my mind.Their owners must be from Sicily:)

  25. Vlad says:

    Hi all,

    Guess we are in the same boat… I purchased the points membership from these scamheads, at Georgian manor in 2010, but was always suspicious about everything they’ve said. We were new to the country and it turned out very easy for them to fool us with the promises of the goose carrying golden eggs. They lured my wife and myself into the contract saying that I could sell it afterwards for profit or rent out the points – a lie, cause they worth nothing and I was not able to sell or rent it out, they lied again on a matter of RCI, that I can redeem the points for flight tickets and it turned out that RCI can redeem only a small percentage of it, ridiculous $150-200 dollars when my flight tickets to Europe is over $1,500 which was the main reason for me to buy this, as we often travel back to Europe to our home country. Long story short, they lied on many topics, not saying about that the contract is for 50 years etc. I tried to cancel it after a year, but they threatened me to take the file and go to credit agencies and ruin my credit standing or send it to the credit collections. Finally I was so fed up with them that I decided to stop all payments and sent complaints to Financial Services and BBB. I also sent mails to the major Canadian credit agencies. They in turn sent my file to the credit collections. Right now I am waiting for the reply from BBB, but talked to the lawyer as well, as there is no way I am paying for nothing and putting my hard earned money down the drain. These people does not have any conscience, as I spent over 10K on their contract and still they are calling , harassing and demanding more money… If you people are going to start a class action let me know and I will gladly join to pool up our resources and information. My email is:


  26. Vlad says:

    Thanks Keith. What frustrated me more – I called the Ontario Ministry of Consumer Services legal branch last week and they told me that they would not help, that I had 10 days to cancel and after three years in contract with RHG and throwing money down the drain, they even don’t know if it is possible to bring a lawsuit against them. They gave me the phone number for the Law Society of Upper Ontario and advised to talk to a lawyer. The governmental institutions in this country are useless… I talked to a lawyer and he said that I have three options – to wait and see if credit bureau of collections will call and I will show them a middle finger, saying that I am not paying anything ever and tell them to sue me, the second option is more aggressive – counter-sue them and demand contact cancellation and the money paid to be returned, the third is to continue paying to those scambags, which I said under no circumstances I am going to pay these crooks anything. I stopped paying and sent cancellation demand letter to them back in August, sent letters to the major Canadian credit bureaus, to BBB (and they have opened a case), and to the Ontario Financial Services. I was going to file a complaint with the Ministry of Consumer Services but after the last week’s conversation with them over the phone, I am not sure if it will make any difference, if they don’t give a damn… Anybody has any experiences similar to this? what else can I do? I am willing to join any group to bring the justice and fairness on this matter to where it belongs. Please share the information.

    • ke russ says:

      I would still file complaint with Consumer services. Multiple complaints on file may send up some red flags and help others. I stopped paying last year and now into collections. Let them take me to court! Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 00:35:55 +0000 To:

    • Liza says:

      I was a member of RHG Vacation Club since August 2011 until we moved to Saskatoon on June 2008. I ask them for the cancellation of my membership thus I can no longer take advantage of their club’s amenities and find the dues to be frivolous if I’m not going to use the membership. I informed them twice regarding on this matter and they told me that there is no cancellation policy and if I refuse to pay they will have my credit information and report it to credit bureau, therefore its my obligation to pay them in full amount of the remaining balance.

      We have in the same boat. I sent a letter to BBB and consumer protection and told me that they can’t help because my agreement was formed more than 2 years before they received my information. Thus I have to call the Law Society of Upper Ontario if I need help or advise.

      From BBB response: Your concerns appear to relate primarily to a contractual issue. As we do not have the authority to obtain reimbursement or to settle any contractual dispute between two or more parties on behalf of a complainant, we cannot offer further assistance.

      Did credit bureau called you? I just joined GeorgianManor Timeshare (facebook). I am interested in joining fight back.

  27. Vlad says:

    Anybody got the contract cancelled and had his money returned via the small claims court? Anybody knows the name of a good lawyer?

  28. Joanne says:

    Should I even attend the 2 night deal !!!??? Have had it on back burner for a while .
    Deadline is end of March 2014 ….is it worth it ??

    • Michelle says:

      It is a free trip; but you have to attend their presentation. Leave your wallet in the room and don’t sign the contract at any expense!!!!!!

  29. Krissy says:

    My parents got sucked in to this stupid thing about 8 years ago. I was so mad when they came back from the presentation to tell me they bought into this “vacation opportunity” . Now they are sucked into the RCI points/weeks thing I dont really understand – I personally do not want to be left with this commitment after they pass. I was reading online you can do a Donate to the Cause and give the timeshare away to a Charity and you get a tax receipt for a charitiable donation. Has anyone been able to get rid of this thing?

  30. Tom says:

    Maybe this can be a win-win. As I actually want one of these timeshares. So if you want out email me at . But I will only contact those who give lots of details. I’m interested in staying one week at Georgian Manor, either every other year or every year. And paying roughly $600 for each stay. Or is this impossible?

    • Tom says:

      We are now buying at another resort, so can’t handle another. So no longer interested in Georgian Manor. Hopefully others will be though, and I encourage them to post here.

  31. Gay Franklin says:

    my husband, now deceased and I bought into this back in 2001 when we paid $20,000 for the timeshare weeks, usage fee to exchange $199 and condo fees $350. we paid membership up for 10 years.
    We got a vacation for around $1,000 a week with our flight.
    NOW, we are renting what we bought for over 3 grand minus flight!
    Never was it to increase in payment only in value, ya right!
    We tried to sell three times and got scammed another several thousand. I was told I couldn’t GIVE it back and it goes into my estate!
    I don’t want anyone burdened by this!
    I’m too old for all this and don’t even use myself.
    I want OUT!!

    • Lou says:

      My situation is similar to yours as yours Gay. Have you had any success getting your contract cancelled.

      • Mary Rose says:

        I spoke with Nicole recently of the Georgian Resort Group and she offered me a good deal to get out of the contract. Please contact her.

  32. Joyce says:

    I cannot believe they are now asking for useage fees on top of the condo fees already paid. It just goes from bad to worse. I am sure it is out of contract conditions but there will be fight after fight. This is what takes away from the whole vacation experience there. Glad I am done with them.

    • Michelle says:

      I have had aost the exact experience. This has cost me so much, but so much was happened already when I got coercised into buying. I have no income and in process of divorce.

      Please advise

      • Joyce says:

        Hi Liz. Yes I got out of the contract. However I did not get any money back so my initial cost was 10,000 and I had it for 7 or 8 years and enjoyed most of that time. I had a lawyer involved but that was about the rising costs out of my contract. Remember that many of the contracts are different. I never went to points so my original wording would hold up. However even that cost me about 500. Then I was a pain in the backside to them as I was hounding for my legal costs back because they could not “up” my maintenance but they would not listen to me. So time went on and finally they did release me but again I received no money. At tht point I didn’t care anymore. My mental health was worth more that the money.

  33. Hal Arthurs says:

    We have been contacted by :The Canadian Discount Network,” they claim to be the new owners of the Georgian Manor… any word on this group? Can you give us a heads up?

    • Club Services says:

      Hi Hal: Candian Discount Network is not the new owners of the resort. They are renting out our sales floor. They have no offices on property. RHG Vacation Club and the Levoy Brother still own the property. We will be here for many years to come. If you would like any information please contact us at

  34. Hi!
    We have been contacted by CDN, for having us come up and “see they option”. Basically is another crap they want you to buy for 10’s of thousands(depends how good of negotiator are you) and for 99$ annual free (frozen fee) you can travel at discounted price as much as you want, whenever you want. Here is the catch: They want you to call them when you book, because “they can get better deals” when you call, rather then what you are able to see online at their website. To me this is another trick, which enables them to play with the prices.You are able to check online see what others offer, but have to call them to book to get the “deals”.
    So, in top of what I payed already (11,000$ at sign up, plus the maintenance fees of 700$ every other year) they wanted another 15,000 to get out. Where is the deal on that? How much do I need to travel to recoup all of that money?
    Either way, the only way out of GMR is to buy CDN and pay 99$ yearly for trips.

    • Club Services says:

      Hi Peter: We are part of the Georgian Manor/RHG Vacation Club. The only way out is not CDN. we do have options through Club Services which you are able to contact and we would be happy to work with you to cancel your membership. You can reach us at

  35. Barbara dombrower says:

    Can you contact me at bdomb@bell .net
    I have

    just been contacted by them regarding my membership. I need some advice thank you

    • Club Services says:

      Hi Barbara:

      If you need any advice on your membership please contact us at clubservices as we are here to help.

  36. Mary Darmanin says:

    I bought a Georgian Manor timeshare and need help to get out of it. If there’s a class action lawsuit i would like to be a part of it. This timeshare does not make and sense anymore and i nave another 35 years to go.

  37. Ed Dupej says:

    I am in the same sinking boat with Georgian Manor. Bought 1 bedroom in 2003. Stupid “upgrade’ to points in 2009. Want out also. Would like to join the group. Please contact at

    • Club Services says:

      Hi Ed: If you are upset with the membership please e-mail with your frustrations or call us at 1-888-377-6999 and we would be happy to work with you. If you are not liking the upgrade please contact us that is what we are here for.

  38. Mary Rose Darmanin says:

    Hello Barbara, I was invited to the same deal/offer by CDN about a month ago. Same thing – they wanted another $10,000 from me to get out of the timeshare. Does not make sense! I’m not dishing out another cent.

    I called the membership office a week later and they told me that a lot of members are asking to opt out. They are now giving members the option to pay some $2,500 to cover legal fees etc to cancel the contract and you will be free of all obligations.

    Do you think this is a good deal to get rid of this nonsense or have you guys come up with something better??

    You may email me at

    Thank you
    Mary Rose

    • AC says:

      Did you go with that option? To pay $2,500. I don’t see why it costs that to get out of a contract. I was there today to meet with GMR. They tried to re-scam me for 11 K and in return I would get their CDN $99 a year. During the beginning they were all dissing RCI. Of course, one of them was the origiinal sales agent. They all claim, oh it was not us, it’s them. No, it’s GMR. This is no different to selling phoney modelling courses. Remember those people who were charged with fraud in the late 90s? The lady went from 11 K and then went as low as 9 K to get out of the contract. To me, that seemed fishy.

      • Mary Darmanin says:

        Hi Barbara, I went for that presentation a couple of months ago and same thing, they asked me for 10K. I counter- offered 5K and they of course would not hear about it. I haven’t paid the $2500 either. I asked them if i could use my own lawyer to reduce the fee and they did not answer my email. I wish the government would regulate these scams and do something about it. I guess we’re stuck eh?

      • Club Services says:

        Hi: We are part of Georgian Manor Resort/ RHG Vacation Club. CDN is a totally separate company that is renting out our sales floor as we are no longer selling membership. We do not know what they are selling, all the sales reps are now employees of CDN and not the Georgian Manor/RHG Vacation Club. If you are upset with the membership please contact us at or call us at 1-888-377-6999 and we would be happy to assist you..

      • Mary Darmanin says:

        Well GMR you should be concerned what they are selling. It is absurd to ask someone who is trying to get rid of their timeshare 10k to get out of it? Don’t you think??

  39. Club Services says:

    Hi Mary, We are part of Resort Holiday Group/Georgian Manor Resort. If you are upset with the membership please e-mail with your frustrations or call us at 1-888-377-6999 and we would be happy to work with you. You mention Canadian Discount Network they are not a part of Resort holiday Group. CDN is renting out our sales floor. We are not affiliated with them

    • Mary Darmanin says:

      I already contacted your office by phone and email. Not only did i have to pay a fortune for this membership, plusmy membership to RIG, which is compulsary and i also had to pay an exchange fee of $260 this year to book a hotel in Orlando. We haven’t started yet and I’ve already dished out close to $1100, not including the food and flight to get there. Now you are asking me to pay you $2500 to get out of the deal and not getting 1 penny back for the money i originally paid you, so you can go and sell it again to another innocent, gullible idiot like me and many others. I talked to my friends who are with ICE and they get better deals with them than what RCI have to offer, not to mention they also get reward points for future trips. Anyways the whole thing is just not practical anymore because i can never find anything available on RCI to match/exchange my timeshare no matter how early i deposit my week!

      • Club Services says:

        Hi Mary: We are no longer selling membership. We are maintaining are only looking after the members we have. As we are no longer selling membership we are able to work with our current members a lot more. We do have different options then RCI. We are more then happy to work with you. If you would like I can give you a call to go over these options. Without offering the $2,500 walk away fee. If not that is OK as well. I am not a sales person and I will give you the truth. I have work in Club Services since 2008 and would be happy to work with you. Please let me know if you would like me to give you a call just to hear the different options.

      • Mary Darmanin says:

        I will give this another chance to see what else you have to offer me. You may call me in the evening after 5pm.
        Thank you

    • Hal says:

      Club Services,

      I was just at Georgian Manor this past week.

      Just a heads up, The Canadian Discount Network is telling people during their presentation that they ARE affiliated with you, and that YOU asked them to come because of the numbers of disgruntled members.

      Not only that, in their presentation CDN clearly states that Resort Holiday Group gets a cut of every program they sell to ‘get people out of their timeshare’. That sounds like you are more than affiliated. It sounds like you are cut a deal.

      If you are not affiliated, then why are you willingly sending time share members, to a group renting your sales floor, whose sole mission it is to help people get out of their timeshare by paying more money?

      I don’t know who responds to these on behalf of Georgian Manor, but it isn’t fair not to be honest. You see the hurt and anger in these comments. Just as common courtesy, from one human to another, you should really try to be honest. It goes a long way.

  40. Club Services says:

    Hi Mary: Our club services team is here Monday to Friday from 9 am to 5 pm. I do get in early and can call you before 9 am. However I am not able to call after 5 pm as I have to pick my daughter up from daycare. If you are not available in the morning, you can e-mail me directly after 5 pm and I will answer your e-mail in the morning as soon as I get in.

  41. Karen says:

    Just got sucked into this scheme too!! Didn’t buy into it though!! What a waste!! Told us they would buy our Georgian manor time share and when we got there they did the whole talk and then asked us for 16,900 to get out of our timeshare!! Total scam!!

  42. Hal says:

    We were called to Georgian Manor to come spend time with a special member services person to be educated on our time share and understand how to use our membership better. This happened last week, the beginning of August 2015.

    Upon arrival to the ‘consultario’ my wife and I soon realized we were in another sales pitch from a company I’d never heard of called Canadian Discount Network.

    They told us that Resort Holiday Group asked them to come and address the numbers of disgruntled and unhappy members they had. They said they, CDN, surveyed RHG members and found that 96% were unhappy with their membership and they wanted to help.

    They said that RHG has asked them to be on site, for the last year and a half, and that RHG gets a percentage of every sale they make to convert people to a new solution to the time shares problem. They said RHG has stopped selling timeshares and it looking to get out of the timeshare business, and is willing to let people out of their contracts ‘without pentality’ IF they sign up with this new network. They said there would be an additional cost, but that on top of the travel benefit to the program, you are then given a letter (we were shown a copy) that your contract is terminated with RHG and no more maintenance fees are to be paid.

    They showed the benefits and features of the service, calculated the equity that our current time share is worth and gave us a balance. It was the same today only offer situation, and high pressure sale tactics.

    We were told though they can’t control maintence fees and assessments, as they are not RHG, but one look at construction and the very fact they are on site to release people from timeshares, indicates the further increases are coming.

    Once you decline their service, you sign a paper that states ‘you are happy’ with your timeshare. That something else was offered, you declined and that you are happy. There is no other line that communicates you are unhappy and unwilling to join this group. In hindsight I wish I had not signed that document in case it is ever used against us.

    While I appreciated knowing that RHG is getting a percentage of the $ CDN charges (shows the true lack of ethical business practice on the part of RHG) essentially, they are getting YOU to pay to get out of your timeshare.

    I’m very concerned about what this signals for those of us who own. My wife and I have come to the conclusion that eventually the timeshare members are going to be pushed out, like what has happened to other timeshare owners in Ontario. We have friends who walked away from their timeshare obligations, after years of battle, without penalty or collections, because the owners wanted them gone anyways. For those fighting with RHG maybe this is a light at the end of the tunnel, I’m not sure.

    If RHG is willing to let another company come in and terminate their guaranteed reoccurring revenue (our maintence fees) there must be something else going on behind the scenes.

    I’d like to connect with someone in this group to understand more of what is happening with thus lawsuit. And find out if anyone else has had the same information shared with them.

    To whoever is following up with this from Member Services, I understand it’s your job, but let your conscience be your guide. You know the the truth is not fully being told. There are half truths and missteps with all the communication that is happening. Try and find a sense of common humanity and be honest with us. Many of us are long time members, growing in age, and you know in your heart the product we bought is no longer the same product.

    • Moody says:

      Hi Hal, what you have just said is exact ally what happened word to word with us today. We bought this in 2008 and never get chance to use it due to most commonly shared reasons including points exchange rate, non availability etc. we also refused to take CDN membership as I don’t want to pay dime for nothing but I want answer when that million dollar upgrade will be ending. Usually in five years some companies launch their business become successful if lucky and offer more benefits to their shareholders. If not so lucky sold to someone and that will take you as an honourable member as they paid huge amount to own that big establishment. Few business may fail and file for bankruptcy. But here in RHG is totally new game going on. Time share value they mentioned next door jumped up to 30k higher than it real price. Now what on earth I would believe my share which I paid 15000 now valued only 6k . Plus that new CDN is there to help us with new loan on our credit. That same old guy I remember him from my last meeting walk to us today with stick say good bye as we refuse to accept their scam. I do want to fight back, and will take these kind of people to the court so they don’t scare or scam new comers Canadian like me . Govt should regulate these people.

  43. Enzo says:

    I purchased the timeshare quite awhile ago (2003 I believe) and have been paying ever since. There were promises of major renovations at that time but nothing noteworthy to date. I am tired of paying for nothing ever since! AND I WILL NOT!!! NO LONGER!!! The maintenance to date is outrageous and anyone is a fool ifI they even pay the rent required to cover the maintenance! I will very happily join anyone else in a lawsuit against these people!

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